The House just passed a Wall Street bonus tax
The measure would tax individuals on any bonuses received in 2009 from companies getting $5 billion or more in money from the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP. Bonuses for people with incomes over $250,000 would be taxed at a 90% rate.
Let's do some quick math shall we?
1) You get a million, you get taxed 90% and keep 100K
2) You return 750K, keep 250K, get taxed 35% and you keep 162.5K
For option 2 it looks like you did a good thing because you returned 750K. But in reality you did it because that way you can keep a lot more of the money
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Thursday, March 19, 2009
Monday, December 29, 2008
The Madoff Tax Advantage, Some Good News For People Scammed Out Of Money
The Freakonomics blog has a nice article explaining that people who invested with Madoff can deduct their loses as theft, this has a more favorable tax treatment
Read the whole article here: http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/29/the-madoff-tax-advantage/
I am sure it won't make up for the loss completely but something is better than nothing when you are a victim of a Ponzi scheme
Taxpayers who invested in Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC directly, or through a fund of funds, have a loss that is most probably categorized as a theft loss for tax purposes. This loss has a more favorable tax treatment than theft losses of personal non-business property. Theft loss is determined and applied to get you back taxes for the current year of loss and the three years prior. These losses remain available beyond that four year period, and they can be carried forward for 20 years…
Read the whole article here: http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/29/the-madoff-tax-advantage/
I am sure it won't make up for the loss completely but something is better than nothing when you are a victim of a Ponzi scheme
Sunday, December 14, 2008
Bernie Madoff's Ponzi Scheme Victims: The List
Ouch there are some high profile names in this list of victims. I read about this in the weekend edition of the Wall Street Journal but now I have found a nice list online.
That is just crazy, those numbers are approaching the bailout
More details here: http://clusterstock.alleyinsider.com/2008/12/bernie-madoff-hosed-client-list
Tremont Capital. Fund of funds. Lost "hundreds of millions". (announced on CNBC)
Maxam Capital Management LLC. Combined loss of $280 million. "I'm wiped out," said Sandra Manzke, Maxam's founder and chairman. The Darien, Conn., fund of hedge funds will have to close as a result of the losses, she said. (WSJ)
Fairfield Greenwich Group. Bloomberg: The biggest loser may be Walter Noel’s Fairfield Greenwich Group, whose $7.3 billion Fairfield Sentry Ltd. invested with Madoff’s eponymous firm, three people familiar with the matter said... Fairfield Sentry has a record of more than 15 years with an annual return of 4 to 6 percentage points above benchmark interest rates, according to a marketing document dated this month that was prepared by Zurich-based NPB New Private Bank Ltd. On an absolute basis, returns exceeded 10 percent every year from 1991 through 2000. Since then, they ranged from 6.4 percent to 9.8 percent...The strategy is a “split-strike conversion,” where the investment manager buys shares of large U.S. companies and enters into options contracts to limit the risk, the document says.
Fix Asset Management. Bloomberg: Fix Asset Management, which had an account worth at least $400 million with Madoff Investments. The firm said it’s checking with lawyers about the holdings. “We are very shocked,” John Fix, the son of founder Charles Fix, said by phone from Greece. “We put in redemptions in the past few months and got our money back no problem. We are just so surprised about all this.”
Kingate Management Ltd. Bloomberg says $2.8 billion Kingate Global Fund Ltd. invested with Madoff.
Thyssen Family. Source sends the following: Thybo Investments grew out of a family office for Thyssen. They have been in fund of funds it seems since 1989. Thybo International is a "proper" fund of fund but it's newer share class G invests only in one manager - and i'm 99% sure it's Madoff as the returns are almost the same. Some more info. The fund started in Jan 2007. Ernst & Young. Luxembourg are the auditors. UBS Luxembourg is the administrator. Thybo states on their webpage: "Our track record incorporates audited financial statements at both a composite firm-wide and individual portfolios level."
Ira Roth's family. WSJ: Ira Roth, a New Jersey resident, who says his family has about $1 million invested through Mr. Madoff's firm, is "in a state of panic." He said his 86-year-old mother-in-law has been living on the investments' returns, and he has been using the funds to pay college tuition.
That is just crazy, those numbers are approaching the bailout
More details here: http://clusterstock.alleyinsider.com/2008/12/bernie-madoff-hosed-client-list
Monday, December 8, 2008
How long did it take for the market to recover after 1929?
Someone left me a comment on the So You Think The Market Is Bad Now? It Went Down 89% Between 1929 And 1932 post asking for some additional data for the chart. Here is some of that data, as you can see it took 25 years to close above 400 again. Just imagine if this happens now, a lot of people will not be able to retire, the only problem is that there is not an abundance of jobs either, as a matter of fact there is a shortage.
Click on the chart for a larger version
Click on the chart for a larger version
Labels:
depression,
Economy,
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non-technical,
recession,
stock market
Sunday, November 23, 2008
What Does Hyperinflation Look Like? Just Take A Look At The Weimar Republic In 1923
This post has been moved here: What Does Hyperinflation Look Like? Just Take A Look At The Weimar Republic In 1923
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